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Posted: Thursday, December 20 2007. 1:00 PM

View Point: Robert Joseph on India Wine Challenge

Robert Joseph, Chairman of the First India Wine Challenge, the first international wine competition held in India, last month is resentful of a handful of self-anointed wine experts and commentators surmising that the competition was rigged, without bothering to check out the facts. He clarifies a few of their misgivings.

I was naturally interested to read some of the comments about the first India Wine challenge - of which I was chairman. I would like to deal with all of the points that have been made. Firstly and unsurprisingly, I'd like to respond to the accusation that the competition was "rigged". I launched the UK International Wine Challenge in 1984 and oversaw its growth to a current state of being the biggest wine competition in the world, with over 9,000 wines. I have also run wine challenges in Japan, China, Singapore, Hong Kong, Russia, Vietnam and Thailand and am chairman of the Swiss Intl Wine Competition in South Africa and the Tri Nations Cup in Australia.

In all of these over 50 competitions I have never been accused of "rigging" a contest and resent the accusation here. The wines were tasted blind in London and Delhi (at the Hyatt) by a panel of expert Indian and international palates.

Judges in London

These were Subhash Arora (London and Delhi); Ronnie Lobo (London); Abhay Kewadkar (London and Delhi); Sourish Bhattacharya (Delhi); Alok Chandra (Delhi); and from Europe, Stephane Soret, Sommelier of the Imperial, Delhi (Delhi); Bill Marchetti (Delhi); Steve Daniel, former buyer for the Oddbins wine chain in the UK (London); Cyrus Rustom Todiwala MBE Executive Chef, Cafe Spice Namaste (London); Keith Isaacs Master of Wine (London); Bill Rolfe former buyer of the UK Unwins wine chain (London). All of these people will confirm the rectitude of the procedures adopted at every stage.

I would like to comment on many people expressing surprise at the poor showing of Grover wines in this competition. I expected them to do better myself. However, I carefully re-tasted the bottles following the competition and concluded that they were not nearly as impressive as the ones I had previously experienced in India and the UK.

It will be interesting to see whether the Grover Reserve (of the same 2005 vintage) fares better in other competitions.

This is an essential point. One of the reasons I run as many wine competitions as I do is because I do not believe in the absolute validity of ANY individual competition or encounter between a critic and a wine. As in the sporting arena, consistency is all: the difference between Tiger Woods and the flash in the pan golfer who wins a single tournament.

It was also interesting that the low marks given to the majority of the Indian wines were given by a panel which was largely made up of Indian judges.

Judges at the Hyatt, Delhi

Some people feel the entry costs were high. The fee was $160, which compares favourably to other international competitions. I believe one set of samples was allowed free to those exhibiting at the IFE-India. It should be noted that our costs included the flying to the UK and accommodation for three Indian judges (Subhash Arora, Ronnie Lobo and Abhay Kewadkar as well as the shipping from London (and the payment of customs duty and excise) to Delhi of 200 samples for re-tasting and presentation.

We had reluctantly decided to run part of the competition in London, with Indian judges because of the nightmarish costs due to the duties, and difficulties of getting samples into India. If we can overcome this next year I will be delighted.

Let me also clarify what the medals mean in numerical terms. The answer is simple: wines with 18.5/20 or more get Gold; 17-18.4 get Silver; 15.5-16.9 get Bronze and 14-15.4 get a Seal of Approval. These criteria are in line with the ones used in Australian and New Zealand competitions and the International Wine Challenge and Decanter Awards, but are stricter than those of some other competitions. In other words, a Seal of Approval here might have won a Bronze elsewhere.

The Indian results in this competition (mostly No Awards and Seals of Approval, with four Bronzes and sole Silver) were very much in line with what I might have expected from previous tastings, but it was encouraging to see new wineries enter the fray. As it was to see the quantum leap in quality that has been made by Nine Hills between its (very poor) first and second vintages, following, it should be said, visits by the Australian chief winemaker of Pernod Ricard, Nine Hills's owners. ( In fact, we confirmed it from Rukn Luthra- the project head of Nine Hills at Seagram's, who said that Peter Hayes had visited India on more than a couple of occasions to offer his expertise. Their white wines, though entered could not win a medal- Editor)

Quality control remains a problem with Indian wines: one winery in particular submitted several bottles of wine that were oxidised (prematurely aged) indicating problems at the winemaking or storage or transport stages.

I also believe that there is considerable work to be done in the vineyards to improve the way the vines are being grown. Switching from growing grapes for eating to winegrowing is not a straightforward process, and far too many wines, in fact most of them show a "green" character belying a lack of fundamental ripeness - even in the case of wines with significant alcohol levels.

I wish the Indian wine industry well - as well as the Indian market for good imported wines. And it is with this wish that I will begin work on the 2008 India Wine Challenge. Any positive suggestions for what we can do to further improve that event will be very welcome.

Robert Joseph

Chairman, India Wine Challenge
London

Comments:  
   
Posted By : Vishal Kadakia
Dec 20, 2007 6:28 PM
Dear Robert, Bravo!! I look forward to the competition next year. We submitted 4 wines and every wine was selected in one of the 3 categories with one winning gold, one silver and 2 bronze. On another note - we need to get these results out to the concerned people in the trade in a proper format with the name of the distributors associated with the wines so that these results can be used and converted into potential marketing tool for every distributor. Cheers! Vishal
 
Posted By : Alok Chandra
Dec 21, 2007 10:58 AM
As one of the judges on the Delhi panel, i would like to endorse the viewpoint laid out by Robert: the judging process was open and transparent, and no effort whatever was made to influence individual opinions. All samples were 'bagged', with only the grape, vintage and country of origin given on the score sheets. Each of the two panels had to agree on each set of wines - disagreements did happen, and were referred to Robert; all silver/gold medal wines were referred to the other panel to cross-verify. It has been my experience that winemakers (not unsurprisingly) have a favourable opinion of their own wines - and (particularly in an emerging wine culture as in India) will cry foul if their expectations are belied in an open competetion. Time to grow up, people - welcome to the real world!
 
Posted By : Alcobev
Dec 21, 2007 1:47 PM
Dear Robert, With the number of international wine challenges that you run, it seems that this is something that you may have witnessed in other emerging markets as well.Just because there are some disgruntled people around does not mean that the juding was not fair.Please don't mind these poor losers ! (Sula , Grovers ,Chateau Indage and some of these new fly-by-night wineries that are mushrooming around in Maharashtra). They know where their wines stand on the quality levels - with them doing the things they are to the wines - Artificial Acid , Oak Chips, Artificial Colouring etc and they are just scared that this will make it more difficult to sell their plonk(read Chantilli, Sante, Reveilo , Zinzi,Riveira and the like) to the unsuspecting consumer at throw away prices in the sweltering environs of the local 'WINE SHOP'(by supporting them with fab incentives) and have to plug some of that money to improving the quality of the product. Limited knowledge is a bad thing and this is what seems to have bit the ones who are making these allegations. 'Forgive them , for they know not what they say'. Ask them for the components that make up a wine and they will be stumbling around. Wine is an art and is a commodity that can be peddled like other alcoholic beverage , but this they do not seem to understand. Please continue the goodwork but I would recommend that to have a following of this next year, a certain amount of work be done to make the wine trade and people at large understand what the medals mean and stand for! It would also be prudent to put out a disclaimer - "The awards are given to those wines that are adjudged best by OUR judges-You may or may not agree with them - but then that's your problem !" Regards Alcobev
 
Posted By : Ravi Singh
Dec 21, 2007 3:44 PM
During my recent trip to India and the the IFE I was also prevy to various allegations being made about the wine challenge.. some of them absolutely hillarious. Some people told me anything is possible in India. However it is important to read between the lines. What I have found is a lot of inconsistency between samples & what one buys of the shelf, the variation is quite considerable. The experience of the tasters has also been questioned. The answer to this is that with Robert Joseph at the helm these variations would normally be 'adjusted' in the tasting format any way the amateurs would out weighed by the proffessionals. The issue of tasting wines in both the U.K and India is the only thing that needs to be clarified.. were the same wines tasted in both locations or were only some tasted in the U.K and others in India.
 
Posted By : Shiv Singh
Dec 21, 2007 10:13 PM
Dear Subhash,

I was a little disappointed to discover that your Robert Joseph article doesn't acknowledge the fact that it was first published on the Sommelier India blog as a comment a week ago. It is good journalism practice to acknowledge sources or where an article may have been published first.
 
Posted By : Subhash Arora
Dec 24, 2007 05:00 PM
Hi Shiv,

I am sorry the article has disappointed you. If Robert writes to me and asks me to publish an article I don’t go and ask him how many other people he has asked to write the same or similar article.

He has been interviewing and writing to other magazines too, to keep proper perspective for his IWC.I neither interfere nor have any locus standi. I published only what he sent.

As you might know I have nothing to do with the IWC except that he did invite me as a judge in London and Delhi and I did help him out a bit in an honourary capacity because I strongly believe in this competition and his impeccable credentials.
 
Posted By : CYRUS TODIWALA
Jan 04, 2008 5:00 PM

I, for what little tasting I did do that morning in London, will solemnly swear that the negative comments passed on the tasting are far removed form the truth.

I have not been the one so detailed and so well executed. Yes, most tastings I do are for my business and are primarily directed towards pairing my food with the wines on our list or for that matter for the various events we do throughout the year.

The comments I see are sudden bursts of what I term as 'PRIDE PUNCTURE' for an expectant person not achieving the success anticipated.

My own personal views to our Indian wines and I can assure you that in a few years to come they will be a challenge to be reckoned with and it is competitions such as these and the fact that we dont score well will make producers all the more challenged and aware of world expectations and comparisons.

Today in India whenever I visit, I see the surge in wine consumption amongst the younger nouveau rich, let taste buds develop and experience come to the fore and their demands will develop too, this will put pressure on our producers to look at world class.

In comparison to price structures and price brackets our wines will not cope well as some new and old world wines offer fantastic value for superior qualities and thats where the wines fumble I feel. Roberts comments on the growing, maturing, transporting may be totally valid and justified.

Sorry for the latecoming. I only managed to get on line today. Its these bloody oysters by the dozens daily and the price you pay for being in the Languedoc Rousillon region for a person so craved with food and wine that takes its toll on other worldly matters when on holiday

Cyrus Rustom Todiwala MBE

Executive Chef / Patron

Cafe Spice Namaste

16 Prescot Street

London E1 8AZ

www.cafespice.co.uk

December 29, 2007

 
Posted By : Bill Rolfe
Jan 13, 2008 3:04 PM
I was a judge at the London version of the India Wine Challenge and the claim that the competition was rigged is both ridiculous and libelous. Robert Joseph is one of if not the most professional people I have ever met after working in the wine industry for over 35 years and he has led the way in the world of wine competitions. It sounds to me like the accusers have a case of sour grapes!
 
       

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