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Delhi Wine Club

Posted: Friday, August 03 2007. 11:00 AM

Interview: Abhay Kewadkar- the Wineman from UB Group

Of course, being on the Board must have been part of the deal.
Yes, apart from a decent package, this was explicit.

Did you know about the deal fermenting between Brindco and Grover when you left the job

I can say it categorically that there was no such talk during my tenure. I used to meet every potential investor. In fact there were 2-3 suitors with whom I was interacting even when I left. Jerry Rao of Mphasis was one of them. Other names I would not like to disclose because of confidentially pact with those prospective investors. Brindco was nowhere in the picture when I left Grover in September.

I believe the shares were transacted at Rs. 135 a share

I don't have a close idea at all so I won't like to speculate. But they could be at lower price, I don't know.

Do you think Kapil tied up with Brindco to gain distribution strength

Grover never had any problem with distribution system. We had loyal distributors. But he might have felt that due to my leaving there was now some gap in the marketing.

But Grover wines did become more expensive after Brindco stepped in. La Riserva was hiked up by Rs.100 in Delhi

I feel it was not justified. La Riserva is a fine wine. But Rs.440 was a good price. See, whether Indian or imported, the market wants good quality wine at affordable prices. The price increase might hurt them.

What level of operations has USL reached in wine marketing

We launched our Bouvet Ladubey in Le Aperitif in Delhi a couple of months ago. We have 13 labels. It is proposed to be sold through hotels, fine dining restaurants and a few select retail stores for the sparkling Brut.

What price point are you talking about

In Delhi it would be around Rs.1300. It may become slightly cheaper with the duties coming down. It could be in the range of Rs.1100-1300. A wine that has been declared as the best non Champagne in the world by Harrod's, our regular stockists, tells you something about the quality. The price is amazingly low for such quality of wine.

What about your Indian wine portfolio
For the young, entry level consumer, we plan to bring out ZINZI Sauvignon Blanc and Chenin in white while Cab, Shiraz and Zinfandel will account for the reds.

What selling prices are you planning
In keeping with our philosophy, we shall price it at Rs.275-Rs.300 a bottle.

So this will compete with Riviera, Madera and Sante.

I don't like to think so. It will be made from the same grapes as Four Seasons, our signature wines. The wine will be fruit forward so the first time drinkers enjoy the taste. It will have a market of its own.

We have the advantage of getting better prices because of our volumes. For instance, we paid around Rs.20 a kilo for the white grapes whereas the reds were between Rs.30-35 for Cabernets and not Rs.38 as some other people bought them for.

When do you plan to launch Four Seasons

The grapes have already been crushed. We propose to launch it in November. The usual varietal format of Sauvignon, Chenin, Cab, Shiraz and a Blush will be marketed at a retail of around Rs. 375- 400 each, keeping with our philosophy of good wines at affordable prices.

How many bottles do you plan to sell in the first year

We are planning to make 500,000 bottles (over 40,000 cases) with almost equal quantities of Zinzi and Four Seasons.

Where does your company plan to be in 5 years

Well, we would like to be one of the leaders. Our targets will be 5 million bottles- over 400,000 cases.

How can you be so optimistic about your growth

Mr. Vijay Rekhi sees a great potential in the wine consumption growth. There is already a 40% growth which will be sustained.

Where do you plan to make all this wine

For this year, we have contracted with Renaissance till our own winery comes up. We are signing up with contract farmers too for long term, apart from our vineyards that we plan to buy.

Will you have any export leverage Bouvet you own being a French company

Definitely. We have had a very good response from some French companies who have tasted the wine under process. We feel we shall be able to sell a reasonable quantity between $4-6 a bottle.

How about import of wines

Again, we are certain we want to enter this area-Bouvet Ladubey being already a BIO (bottled in origin) import. We have partners all over the world. We want to use their strength to sell imported wines. We already have a huge distribution for beer and spirits in place. We will utilise this existing channel for these wines.

Will you count on your existing distributors for marketing your imported wines

Yes, we will. For instance, Viveka (director, SV Distributors, Mumbai) is already distributing our Ladubey.

How about distributors like Brindco who are already selling competitors imported wines.

(Smiles) I will answer that in one month's time.

You do remember UB had tried importing wines about 6 years ago and failed miserably
Yes, but that was different. There was no focus of the company on wine imports then. An import department was carved out of the same company without doing much of feasibility studies. Now it is a full-fledged company. We plan to get into areas which have not been covered well. South Africa is one example. We are sure we will be big players in the imported wine market as well.

What is your feeling about the new customs policy because of WTO
I think it is very important to keep prices low and wine education pumped up in order to increase the market. It will be better for all in the long run. We must be careful though that India does not become a dumping ground for cheap wines. We must also remember that our overheads are higher in India than Europe. For instance, the rate of interest in India is between 10-12% whereas they pay 5% in Europe . They get many subsidies while we do not.

What if your chairman decides one day that compared to the beer, spirits and airline business, this is chicken feed and decides to shut it down

Our chairman is very passionate about wines. He loves red sparkling wine and champagne. So passion is one of the reasons why we are here. Secondly, we have done a lot of research and then taken a decision. In fact United Vintners Ltd. has been formed for imports only and that will also be under my direct supervision.

As a matter of policy, delWine does not check out facts or figures mentioned by any interviewee and should be taken as his personal assessments only- editor

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